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When Gail writes BoP is more like: Babs and the Birds of Prey. She’s very selfish in her writing, letting only the characters she loves to shine and ignoring or treating the others with little to no respect. She even brought in the Secret Six and had that going on for a long time even though it had nothing to do with the Birds of Prey, but was just a forced war and a way for Simone to write about the characters she wants rather than to write about the Birds as a team.

When Bedard or McKeever write BoP is actually the Birds of Prey as a team. No one teammate shines over the others. It’s not the Babs’ Show. They’re treated as a team. Lady Blackhawk isn’t just the driver of the Birds of Prey, she’s part of the team. Misfit is part of the team. Helena is part of the team and not the Birds of Prey’s bicycle so every low-life guy can have a turn at her.

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Huntress (Bertinelli) & Batwoman (Kane) - Injustice: Year Two #21

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Prior to her appearance in Justice League Unlimited, the Helena Bertinelli version of the Huntress did actually appear in the Batman: the Animated Series comics. In the story Duty of the Huntress in issue 19 of Batman and Robin Adventures to be exact.

Her story differs here than in her later DCAU or even comicbook appearances, in that while her in her other versions she was orphaned as a child, her Helena’s family was killed when she was a young adult.

Similarly, while the regular comicbook version could be somewhat oblique about what her father would be getting up to in his “day job” (or flat out ignored in the JLU version), this version of the Huntress combined getting revenge for her family’s murder with dismantling her father’s various criminal enterprises one at a time with the information in her father’s journal.

Batman, discovering her rather inefficient crimefighting methods, tells her to just give the journal to the Grand Jury (after giving some of the information he got from skimming the book while Helena slept to Commissioner Gordon)… Which basically means that her entire superhero career is effectively over in one issue, due to Batman taking the choice out of her hands and taking down her father’s syndicate in one night with the GCPD.

…Can’t really argue with the results, though I can’t exactly say that it was a good move from a character perspective. Although I don’t think that they were intending her to be a reoccurring character, so I guess it made sense to wrap up her story in the same issue she appeared in.

I agree with you that it’s a pretty awful story, but you’re painting kind of a weak picture of Helena Bertinelli here, so here are some small notes on what you wrote.

Well the story in here is resembling her very first appearance in Huntress #1 (1989) where she’s from New York and her family gets murdered when she’s 19.

Also, her father’s job was always stated as a mafia capo. Even in JLU, while I forgot if they actually said he was a member of the mafia, it was heavily implied.

Batman is angry that she’s not concerned about using lethal methods and not following his methods like the rest of the superheroes operating in Gotham. It’s not that she was inefficient, it was that he was mad that she wasn’t following his rules. Also, in this issue, they make Tim fight against Helena, rather than to be the first Batfam person who trusted her and respected her. So they destroyed that relationship.

Her career is not over, however, if you read until the end of the issue, you see Helena saying that she now has to make up for her father’s legacy and she has a new duty. Which probably meant continuing as Huntress and protecting Gotham, despite the fact that they might have not intended to bring her back in this specific series.

It’s a very weak origin story for Helena. However it was only based upon her first two origin stories, since this came out before Cry for Blood where her family was murdered when she was 8. Even though her story was never continued in the Batman and Robin Adventures, it was nice to see her included in the DCAU.

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Birds of Prey #72

mostingeniusparadox:

Birds of Prey #72

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Huntress (Helena Bertinelli)

Justice League Unlimited #2

Li’l Gotham #10

Helena playing poker with the Justice League and Scrabble with the Batfam.

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Huntress (Helena Bertinelli)
Black Canary (Dinah Lance) 
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thelastofthebertinellis:

sailorjupiternaturelightning:

Damn I didn’t know the extent she had gone to to do this. I barely touched anything of Gail’s. Sure as a Babs fan I do enjoy her back in the suit but…idk it’s different. I just can’t understand why someone needs to smash another character for petty things such as a ship. As much as I love Dick and Babs I’d hate that to be the reason she’s destroying Huntress for her selfish reasons

Sadly, Gail’s love for the DickBabs ship is the reason for her Helena hatred…and it’s stupid, because their fling happened during a series whose writer didn’t know how to write Helena, Dick and Babs weren’t dating at the time, both Hel and Dick said it was a bad idea and decided to put the thing behind them. Bringing Hel in BoP, the way I see it, was also to kinda control who Hel sleeps with: a stupid carsalesman whom Hel had no interest in. Their whole date seemed forced and Hel was really uncomfortable, and then out of the blue they have sex. Oh and it all happens in the issue where she has Babs and Dinah call her a slut. And you know the stupid threesome between Hal Jordan, Hel B, and Zinda? It happened in Cry for Justice (James Robinson) and then Gail followed up on it. Because as long as it didn’t happen to Babs, she was okay with Hel getting stupid stuff added to her history. So basically, Gail turned her into a side character, as I said before, who’s there for Babs to act superior to and to save Dinah when she gets in trouble and to sleep with pretty much every single guy she has no chemistry with as long as it’s not Dick Grayson.

To be honest, I bet if Gail got to write a series with Starfire in it, she’d call her a slut and have her team slutshame her or worse, since she actually had a relationship with Dick and they got married and had a kid.

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thelastofthebertinellis:

sailorjupiternaturelightning:

thelastofthebertinellis:

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Sadly outside of DC fandom hardly anyone knows Helena. It’s such BS she’s one of the coolest there is but for whatever reason is always brushed under the carpet. I feel they do that with Cass too.

//Well I feel it’s Gail’s fault for how she wrote Hel in BOP. Before BoP, Hel was a Batfam character, she ran along Tim and Bruce and sometimes Nightwing. Look at how she was written in the past. She had a HUUUUGE role in NML, and she had a whole mini-series about her (Cry for Blood), she appeared in a lot of Batman issues, she was treated as an important character. She was treated as someone as important as Bruce or his Batkids (especially since a Batgirl wasn’t around). And then comes Gail to slutshame her and turn her into a minor character in her comic about Babs and Dinah. It’s not until Bedard and McKeever take over BoP when Hel and Zinda start to shine. So yeah, Gail pretty much ruined it for Hel. Of course, there are other factors to blame, but BoP wasn’t good for Hel. If Gail hadn’t touched her, Hel would have probably become closer to the Batfam rather than pushed to the side for Babs to shine. Yes, Gail wrote some good Hel issues, but most of the times she showed no respect for her, using her as a background character or as the “bad guy” who got mad at Babs for calling her a slut and manipulating her, oh or as the Bird of Prey who was swooning over Catman’s dick, even though it went against Hel’s morals.

//Exactly.  They just want the “iconic” character to shine more like Babs.  I won’t lie Babs is my babe but I don’t like putting her on a pedestal the way Gail does.  As I said before, if people aren’t into DC like for reals, they have no idea who Helena is or Huntress and it’s so depressing.  I had thrown the idea to my friends before about cosplaying Helena and they just stared at me like…who the is that.  I really wish they gave her a chance to seriously shine. 

Well the way I see it, Babs is a self-insert of Simone’s. In some BoP issues they even look alike. So Babs is a way for her to talk shit about Helena, to make Babs the “bestest” character ever who can do no wrong to anyone, and to live out her DickBabs dream. The reason why Gail hates Hel so much, and treats her the way she does (and uses her and Wayne interchangeably) is because she’s pissed at Hel for her stupid fling with Nightwing. The whole bringing Wayne in in Batgirl was her way to say “Oh look, you can bring this woman in as Bertinelli and no one will care.” And it’s true because the few voices of HB fans enraged by this were silenced by Gail’s stupid sarcastic comments or by HW fans saying “well HW went through shit too…” So even after HB is dead and gone, Gail still tries to shove her to the side and get people to forget about her. She ruined her in BoP, Hel had a chance to shine in Batfam centric issues, but Gail took her away to be the girl Babs acts superior to, or the girl who goes and rescues Dinah when she’s in trouble, but never ever her own character. She always depended on Babs or Dinah, no matter what. Hel would have had a chance to shine if not for BoP and Gail’s terrible writing of her.

August 2014
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About the fight between Babs and HW in Batgirl

I saw it as Gail finally living her dream of seeing an able bodied Barbara beating the shit out of Helena Bertinelli. Yes, Gail uses them interchangeably a lot, so I doubt she cares which Huntress Babs wipes the floor with as long as she wipes the floor with a Huntress that looks like Bertinelli.